With budget being a main concern lately, why does our city employ so many full-time firefighters (drivers), yet no full-time ambulance service drivers? Don't get me wrong, we all love our firemen. But, we average 2.5 fire calls per month vs 70.1 ambulance calls per month (2009 stats). Save the basement vs save a life.
I don't want to see any of the firefighters lose their jobs, but can't we require them to take EMT or Paramedic classes so they can respond to medicals as well like most fire departments with full-time employees? If not, maybe we should phase out our full-time drivers as they retire.
I don't want to pick on our fire department just because we live in hard times, but I've always felt this way. Who else in the Northland (north of Duluth) does it this way?
http://www.ifallsdailyjournal.com/news/police-reports/police-report-102-...
Am I looking at this the wrong way? If I'm wrong, someone from the city please comment and set me straight.


You are not wrong at all....
Back to page topYou are not wrong at all. Why do we have a full time department? What are their responsibilities when they are not fighting fires? How much does the city spend to maintain a full time Fire Department? Could someone from The Journal check into this and publish some answers?
On Tuesday, the Journal...
Back to page topOn Tuesday, the Journal asked Jerry Jensen, chief of the ambulance service and fire department, to respond to the questions raised here by either answering himself or replying to The Journal so we could provide the information.
I think it would be more...
Back to page topI think it would be more benefitial to ask the city council and Mayor Mason what has been spent on the river development/hotel,convention-center project, etc. There have been hundreds of thousands spent that for some reason no one wants to know how much or what for exactly and instead we harass Jerry Jensen and the Falls Fire Dept. Jerry has operated on the same budget for years, not even updating it for inflation. Jerry and his department do more than their fair share AND still get flack from the community. My experiences with Jerry and his crew have been nothing but positive, Jerry is always endeavoring to help and steps up to the plate even when it is not necessarily his job description.
Why not ask Mayor Mason why she didn't adjust the city's budget when it was suspected that Pawlenty would cut LGA? How we can improve our city, so we don't need so much in LGA funds? Ask your city council members for a balanced budget without state funds, so anything we do get is icing on the cake. I don't understand the constant magnifying glass on the same issues when there are bigger elephants in the room that no one is willing to confront. Call Betty at the city and ask for Jerry's operating budget for the last 5 years - it's public information. Or call Jerry up, yourself, and ask him.
lesleyk, very good points....
Back to page toplesleyk, very good points. I tried to be delicate when posting the topic. I don't want to investigate the Fire Department's operating budget because I know that Jerry does a wonderful job. I trust that he is doing his job and running that department the best he can. He took that department and made it 10 times more professional. He also took advantage of our geographical location for equipment paid for with federal grants rather than spend local budget money.
You are probably right about the other topics where the city is spending money. I don't have the knowledge on those topics mentioned (maybe a seperate post should be started for that). I just know that spending the amount of money we do for 2.5 fire calls a month is crazy. So, I think that that money is easier justified in our ageing community if the full-timers become EMT certified and take ambulance runs as well. If that happened, I think this topic would go away.
Ripper, I'm sure it takes a lot of maintenance to keep those fire trucks, emergency equipment, and the building itself maintained. That equipment is relied upon for emergencies to save our lives. I'm sure the firefighters do plenty in their down time...but maybe that stuff could be done in their down time in-between ambulance runs.
I'm just trying to be fair here to justify the funds. The last thing I want is more people to lose their jobs in this town.
My apologies Andy, I see...
Back to page topMy apologies Andy, I see your point and it's a fair question. I would think that our firefighters are already EMT trained or trained to some degree. A good question to ask your city council rep or seriously, call Jerry up and ask. We may have an aging population, but we do also have a lot of buildings and empty homes in disrepair - definitely fire hazards. Right now, our fire department covers a lot of area. Although there may not be that many fires, there easily could be one out in the county and one in town at the same time . . . if we didn't have a big enough fire dept, how could they cover both fires?
Jerry Jensen provided The...
Back to page topJerry Jensen provided The Journal the following information on the issue. He was instructed by Mayor Shawn Mason not to reply directly to the questions posed on our Web site.
Yes, when you look at the Fire Department from the outside, I can certainly understand why you have your concerns about staffing.
We do have 30 firefighters and 16 EMT’s and one valuable Paramedic, with 4 full time Firefighter Engineers that work at the station 24/7 (someone at the station at all times). Last year was an excellent year for the fire department with 31 total fire calls, which is the best year that we have ever had for fires. With that we also had 842 ambulance calls that we transported patients, and that has been the worst year as far as number of transfers, so your numbers are right for 2009.
The fire department budget pays for 2 of the full time engineers, and the ambulance budget pays for the other two full time engineers.
I’m really not sure what to say about your little slam of my department about the save the basement vs. save a life, if you think for one second that all we do is save the basement and put a lower priority on saving a life, you really don’t have any understanding of emergency services.
Our firefighter Engineers are required to be EMT’s, and for good reason, they are very active on the ambulance as well. Yes, we need more Paramedics, and someday hopefully we will have more than one, so we can give the citizens in our community the service they deserve.
I have looked many times at how would could manage our department without the firefighter engineers, since that is always a concern of concerned citizens such as yourself. I think they are a valuable asset to our community, when you talk about other communities north of Duluth, who do it the way we do, your right.
Virginia has at least 20 full time Firefighter/Paramedics who cover both the fire and ambulance calls.
Hibbing has at least 20 full time Firefighter/Paramedics who cover both the fire and ambulance calls,
and it is the same in Clouquet. (Which I have all the respect in world for these three departments)
They respond to fires with 4 to 6 firefighters to a fire, and then they have support from the communities around them to provide mutual aid (back up).
When we have a fire, we have a Firefighter Engineer at the station, which pages the remaining firefighters, and is in the apparatus on the way to a fire within a minute. The rest of the volunteer respond to the location of the incident, approximately 23, the off duty Firefighter Engineers respond to the station to man the station and respond with additional apparatuses. They also respond the on call ambulance crew to respond for medical support for both citizens and firefighters.
The Ambulance service does have a paramedic that works 8 am to 4 pm Monday thru Friday, and she will respond to any call she hears, that she feels her skills are needed.
I really hope one day we will be able to have more paramedics than just one, having a paramedic does make a difference to the care of our patients. I’m currently responding on calls during the day if I’m not busy with something else, and normally I will find a way to get away to help, because that does mean getting out the door in less than a minute, which does make a difference to the patient.
Now if you were to ask any of the EMT’s how they would feel in not having the Firefighter Engineer at the station when a call comes to the station, they would quickly inform you that our engineers are a must to make our ambulance successful.
When we receive a call, they have the ambulance out of the garage and instructions for getting to the incident as quick as possible.
The engineers monitor all aspects of the call to insure they arrive at the scene, how long they are there, and if they need more help, and to also be ready to dispatch another call.
The Firefighter Engineers are very busy at the station most of the time, they have stacks of check lists that they have to complete, daily, weekly and monthly.
I’m very proud of the staff we have at the station, both fire and ambulance, and because of our responsibilities in our community and our geographic location, we have the right kind of department, having a combination department.
As far as the ambulance goes, I will continue to work with a task force that has been trying very hard to establish an ALS (Advance Life Support (paramedics)) service for our community.
I would love to have you stop at the station and observe the duties of the Firefighter Engineer, and if you have ideas, that you think would be more efficient or less expensive for our community, I’m always open to suggestions.
I know this just touches the duties of the Firefighter Engineers, but I hope it opens up a few of the issues that are not normally thought of.
Jerry Jensen
Fire Chief/Ambulance Director
600 4th Street
International Falls, MN 56649
Check into all the city...
Back to page topCheck into all the city departments such as the city street workers, city water/sewer and others before coming down on this one. You will find alot to discuss then.