Hello I-Falls,
We are relocating there the first part of September and looking for some valuable information from anyone who is willing to give it out.
So, is the smell really that bad? If it is, is there a part of town that is better - uh - smelling - than another? How about the noise from the mill - or the trains that come and go.
Any good rentals out there? We are bringing our big baby (45 lb lab/border collie mix) and need to accomodate her. Any comments on Riverside trailer park? Stay away - or - OK? Need time to assimilate into the community and get to know it before we buy a house.
Daycare? Preschool? I already got the job scoop from the Blogs area - not real good from what I read. How about area schools. You know - the usual transplant stuff.
Any information you can give us is beneficial, and all opinions are welcome :)
I love living in...
Back to page topI love living in International Falls. I am an 11 year transplant & don't regret moving here. There are challenges to living here & soon there will be readers responding to your blog ripping the community to pieces. Any community will be what you make of it. This same conversation took place in an earlier blog "Moving soon to God's country". I hope readers will offer you positive comments instead of the negative ones given before.
The smell is bad on some days but is better in different parts of town. We live on the south edge of town & rarely have the smell blow that far on the days that it does smell. It does not smell every day!
I've never rented here personally but check the paper or online classifieds, there must be rentals available. The school district (http://www.isd361.k12.mn.us) offers a preschool program as well as St Thomas School (218) 283-3430. There is at least 1, if not 2 other private preschools in town. We have children in elementary school & I've always found the teachers to be friendly & easy to speak with if I have concerns. Again, all schools are going to have good & bad, but I find International Falls schools to be acceptable for our children's learning experience.
There are 2 major grocery stores to shop at. I have found prices to be comparable if not cheaper than other areas of Minnesota. I prefer to avoid shopping at the local K-mart but can find many things I need at Menards.
Again, there are challenges to living here, such as isolation, backwoods mentalities & lack of large shopping malls. But those are qualities I treasure, as opposed to the hectic, hustle & bustle of larger cities with thousands & thousands of people. Our lives revolve around our children & we are comforted by the relative safety of the community.
Best wishes to you, hope your move goes well!
Thank you so much - I really...
Back to page topThank you so much - I really appreciate all the information that you gave me. I am looking forward to moving - and agree that any place has its challenges.
You have been so helpful - thanks again.
The smell is minamal to no...
Back to page topThe smell is minamal to no smell at all on most days, the folks southeast of town get some minimal odor but in town its not at all common and not at all like it was 20 or more years ago. After a year here you won't even notice it. Schools are good as Vikesfan has mentioned and a private school does exist if you choose. Cost of living is actually very reasonable as compared to most parts of the country. The biggest crime wave last week and this week seems to be a couple of lost bikes. If you like the outdoors AND try to know the lakes and river you can actually provide for a good amount of your source of food if your so inclind. Houses in town are very low priced especially if you want a fixer-upper and know how to pick a good one. Actually I would like you to consider buying and not renting as some can be had for under $10,000 and many for under $20,000. Things go kinda slow around here, no need to be in much hurry so if thats what your looking for, we have it. The thinking is a bit woodsy but nobody here has to worry about whats happening down in the big cities so woodsy works fairly well up here. The biggest problem we actually have is folks from the big cities trying to screw things up like they did back where they came from. They often times don't realise that the reason they came here in the first place was because we did such a good job running things for the last 100 years they liked what we had to offer. I was born here, went to every school here including the local college, worked in the mill, guided, trapped, operated business, stayed at the local hospital, helped build the local hospital, own property here and will be buried here some day. Its a great life, fresh air, been all over the world and this is still home. The only problem I have ever had here is, the wonderful young lady I took to the prom 42 years ago is still mad at me.Welcome to town, we are glad to have you. PS. Fishing has been good all summer, had a good blueberry crop and I expect deer hunting, duck hunting and the wild rice will be good this fall also.
Wonderful, absolutely...
Back to page topWonderful, absolutely wonderful. We have been living in the west Texas desert for three years and are SO grateful to get back to MN. Although we are originally from south of the cities, the slow life and gardens and fishing are all right up our alley. Thank you for your reply.
I just want to add one more...
Back to page topI just want to add one more comment. We are very excited about coming to I-Falls but, I was dissapointed and dis-heartened to hear that some citizens may be willing to take advantage of us (as incoming Border Patrol) through rent amounts or housing prices. I have already been forwarned by citizens up there that I-Falls is waiting for the new agents, and our money.
We do our research on the housing market, average real estate selling prices, job market, and cost of living. We are not made out of money and most of us have actually taken a loss on our houses (BP doesn't reimburse or buy our houses anymore)and income (becase we are sent to god awful places along the southern border and spouses cannot find work or daycare, so we are reduced to one income instead of two).
On the southern border, we have been forced to live in sub-standard, filthy housing and been charged an outrageous amount of rent. Lied to by local banks about the value of the homes we purchase just to add tax money to the city, and treated like outcasts from some community members because we are non-hispanic and BP.
As I have stated in earlier writings, we are very excited about coming home to MN and the beautiful state it is. Even more exciting was the fact that we were going back to, what I thought were, solid values and kind, honest people. Please I-Falls, treat us incoming BP the same as you would your lifelong neighbor. We just want to become a part of your beautiful community, churches and schools.
For those of you who would actually try to take advantage, be careful how you deal with the new agents coming into the area. We are a tight group and we will let everyone know who to work with and who NOT to work with. We have our ears on and our eyes wide open.
troykelli, welcome to Int'l....
Back to page toptroykelli, welcome to Int'l. Falls. I hope your life here is a good one. I was just curious tho as to what you meant by your last paragraph?
Sure - let me explain a...
Back to page topSure - let me explain a little better as not to offend or give the wrong impression. I suppose I should have worded it a little more appropriately.
I was talking about those in the community that would try to take financial advantage of the new agents coming into town by charging higher rents or higher home prices. I know it sounds silly, but we have gone through that down here along the Tx/Mx border.
Sad isn't it? But you know it happens everywhere, as Roj2000 stated about the higher rents in Charleston. Nothing we can do about it but "keep our ears open" and listen for which business owners to stay away from, and "keep our eyes wide open" to see who is just looking to make a quick buck.
Hope that helps, by the way, I like your pen name - six shooter.
troykelli, You are correct...
Back to page toptroykelli,
You are correct in the fact that people (real estate, especially) will try to take advantage of your situation. I saw it here in Charleston, SC, when they had the Border Patrol School here. I knew Realators here, that had rental homes, and when they knew a new class was coming into town, they would try to get a much larger rent for the home than they normally would, because they knew how much per dium, etc., the students would be getting. So, it's not just in I-Falls, that people try this, but it is everywhere, and you obviously know first hand what's going on. I give the Falls (my old home town) people a hard time on here, but overall they are a great bunch of friendly Folks who love their town, and I think they think very higly of the Border Patrol. Every town has their "bad apples" who will take advantage of a situation, and "milk it" for what they can. Good luck on your move to "God's Country"!!
I have gotten responses from...
Back to page topI have gotten responses from some absolutely wonderful people up there. There was a point to be made, and I wanted to make sure that it was made. I am just SO DARN excited about getting up there! All our friends and family back home in MN tell us what a beautiful town I-Falls is. My husband has been there on his way up to Canada fishing, but I have never been there myself.
Thank you for your reponse, I am sure that we will find a wonderful community when we get up there. Heck, I am just so grateful that I won't have to drive 120 miles one way to go to a discount store or major grocery store anymore. I have looked at all the business up there and am so delighted that we will have movies, bowling, restaurants, libraries, all those things that I took for granted before I lived down here on the Tx/Mx border. This transfer will truly be a blessing for us - and I thank God every day that we are heading back home.
Good thing your use to...
Back to page topGood thing your use to driving. There is a KMart in town and a Walmart in Fort Frances, but to get to any other major stores (Target, Penneys etc) you will have to drive at least a hundred miles to Bemidji, Virginia or Grand Rapids or a bit further and you will be in Duluth. As a transplant here since 1989, I would pack my bags and move in a heartbeat if my husband didn't have to live here (because of his job). I hope that you find all that you are looking for when you arrive. It is beautiful in the summer, but the winters are really really long.
Peanuts, it is Wonderful how...
Back to page topPeanuts, it is Wonderful how welcoming you are to new people moving into the area,OH, you were once new to the area. Troykelli, no matter what people write on this blog welcome to IFalls, and I am sure you will find out that there is a number of things to do all year long. The winters can be long but enjoyable. If someone hates it so bad,then it is time to pack up and move because no matter what there is to do, people like that will always find the BAD.
The days and nights in Int'l...
Back to page topThe days and nights in Int'l Falls, Minnesota total 365 days and nights just like in El Paso, Texas, except for leap years, of course, which are one day longer. Every one of those days and nights are wonderful but of course for some people they are a burden, which is exactely what those people make of their time spent being here. These kind of folks are generally a burden on the rest of us who like and enjoy every day of our lives up here. Welcome to town, I am sure you two will enjoy every one of your 365 days in the year. I have sore joints and was stung by a wasp once and also fell thru the ice carrying three beaver pelts but its not your fault I am sure of that. Also, the days here are 24 hours long but thats not the fault of Int'l Falls either.
Anton, Just think, during...
Back to page topAnton,
Just think, during those long winter nights, she can get on here and blog away, and start giving roj2000 "heck", and that will make those winter days and nights go by so quickly, and before ya know it, it will be spring and almost time to fish for walleye. Speaking of walleye; in just a few short weeks, I will be up there fishing for them myself. Can't wait, just hope nobody's out to get ole roj2000!!
Oh you guys are just a hoot...
Back to page topOh you guys are just a hoot - I can't tell you how fun this has been, just plain old fun. I have gotten some wonderful information, but I think the most entertainment I have gotten in a long time has been just to read the responses. I have laughed - in a good old fashion way - and it has been heartwarming.
I will tell you one thing, after living with scorpions, black widows, ******roaches the size of small mice, and many other various STRANGE creatures down here, I welcome winter. It kills things off or they are forced underground.
Most of all - I will be glad for my husband. He works very hard for DHS and now can take some time to fish and just enjoy his free time, which isn't often. God has given a true blessing by letting us come home to Mn, so bring on the snow!!!
Thanks again everyone - you are all great and I will take to heart everything that you have said.
Hope you get big, fat and...
Back to page topHope you get big, fat and juicy walleye. Nobody, will be looking for ole roj2000 except the local warden, if you get to many big, fat and juicy walleye. Have a safe trip and see you when you get here. And your correct, she could have had fun giving you heck instead of being cooped up in the house all day long.
Pardon me Mr.Roj, but I have...
Back to page topPardon me Mr.Roj, but I have done some of my best fishing in the winter. The mouth of the Ash River is great for ice fishing.(got a 10.3 walleye)Notice I said GOT the darn thing followed my depth finder up and got stuck in the ice hole, only way out was up. That is the best crappie area in the winter. Drive out on the ice, drill a few holes and drop a couple lines heat up a camp stove and cook some beans and hotdogs while fishing. Gosh I am making myself home sick.
Kelli, 24 hours in a day like every where else. What you will notice though is the daylight in the summer is noticeably longer and the winter, the sun doesn't shine much,its mostly grey.
Everything will be new to you and for the first few months you will be busy getting aquainted with your surroundings. Do not be afraid to jump in and try new things that are the norm for the Falls area. Teach your children to ice skate,take them sledding,go to the areana and watch the Broncos play their hearts out, join one of the local churches get involved with the community and before you know it you will notice the icicles will be dripping and the ice and snow along the curbs of the city streets will be melting and running to the nearest storm drains. Ahh the early signs of Spring. You have survived a long bout with cabin fever. All is new again.
Roj...I believe there is a posse at the county line waiting on you.
Good luck fishing.
Tammy, You're showing your...
Back to page topTammy,
You're showing your age!!!! What a menu you had in the ole ice fishing house. I hope you had a good toilet, LOL!!
troykelli,
I know what you mean about the roaches, etc ...., on the border. My brother was stationed down on the CA/Mex border and I saw it first hand. He was smart though, he gave the roaches little brooms, and trained them how to clean the house, etc.... Made them "earn" their keep. It was a treat to watch the U.S. guys spend ALL day rounding up illegals, process them, send them back, and guess what? They were back, usually, the very next day. Talk about boosting your morale. But that is a whole different topic, for a much later time. Let's get back to the wonderful I-Falls, and Tammy's stories of YEARS ago!!
Ice fishing house??? NO way....
Back to page topIce fishing house??? NO way. Thats for those that can't handle the great north wind. All my fishing is done in the open. Earned my best frost bite and sunburn fishing.
I guess what everyone is...
Back to page topI guess what everyone is saying is WELCOME to our fair town. Everything is not always great but it is a beautiful area with low crime and affordable housing. Good schools, great outdoor activities. Your kids will love the freedom of this great town. We have gone elsewhere and came back. It doesn't always smell great but you can't have everything. WELCOME!!!
How I wish proudcitizedn,...
Back to page topHow I wish proudcitizedn, Anton1965, and roj2000 had been on the welcoming committee when I moved to town. Perhaps my opinion would have been different.
In 1998, my husband and I decided to move our teenagers out of the cities and since we had visited I Falls to fish, we thought what a great place to bring up our children. So we packed our bags and moved here. The only downside then was the smell, which has improved over the years, or perhaps we just got use to it. So we settled in and found jobs, enrolled our kids in Littlefork Big Falls Schools, which I have to say is the best in the area, troykelli, I would suggest checking them out. New school which prides itself on technology, and the whole town turns out for school events (not just hockey or sports). Within months of our move, we were able to experience first hand the friendliness, of living in I Falls. Death threats, slashed tires (twice), the burning of the man camp, broken windows… you get the picture, welcome to hell. Let it be said, we did not work for Boise or any of the contractors. We just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. I’m still appalled at how evil people were, it was like a big boy gang gone crazy. I felt as though we could have just moved downtown Mlps and been safer.
Now if you fast forward, our kids graduated and attended Rainy River Community College. Now, unable to find jobs that will pay a decent wage, they have packed up their families and moved away. It seems that a lot of the younger generation is doing that, and I Falls is not making much of an effort to keep them here.
Because of circumstances beyond our control, we will be here until we retire. Then we will leave to be near our children and grandchildren. You seem to think that I spend my time blogging, but the truth is, I work full time, volunteer both in the church and the school (LBF) and a couple of committees in the Falls. We have a shack, I hunt, fish (catch and release because of the mercury in them), love riding the wheelies and generally spend time in the great outdoors. I have some great friends, most of whom are transplants also. If you spend sometime getting to know some of the new women (men develop the 'bush man' attitude) in town, most will tell you the same story, you are treated differently if you are not born and raised here.
I’m sorry but I do discourage new people from moving here. Perhaps it could be the retirement capitol of MN, but new thoughts and ideas are not welcome here. No one wants anything to change (read some of the other blogs, any new ideas are met with criticism) and can’t figure out why the population is dwindling away. troykelli, you sound like a very upbeat person, and I hope I get to meet you when you arrive, and I Falls is everything that you have hoped for. I don’t want to be the nay sayer, but there is a realistic side to every story.
Peanuts, I hope it was a...
Back to page topPeanuts, I hope it was a typo about 1998, because the man camp was burned about 10 years before that. As for how you were treated, I can guarantee that not everybody born and raised in the Falls is guilty of treating you wrong, or holds those thoughts. A few rotten apples have left a sour taste in your mouth. No matter where you live in the US there are locals that treat transplants with an attitude. My opinion on this is that the "Locals" feel that anyone moving in is taking away their precious jobs. I do not agree with that mentality but I feel that it exists. As a person born and raised in the fall, my father always said that when the smell goes away, so does the livelyhood of the falls go away. There are a lot of good hearted people who were born and raised in the falls and I hope that they will show themselves to any person moving into the falls.
troykelli, if you want to...
Back to page toptroykelli, if you want to meet the backwards locals be sure you stop in at the Outpost Saloon. All of the attributes of stereotypical 'townies' will be fulfilled in one room. Otherwise, the majority of the town folks are good people. I say that being a seasonal transplant...and I'm not even retired!
If you have nothing nice to say about overzealous labor unions, keep it to yourself. I love it, my friend is a union guy that delivers beer. He has a bumper sticker that reads 'Unions, we build America'
Wow, Peanuts, I'm sorry it...
Back to page topWow, Peanuts, I'm sorry it has seemed so terrible for you. As an erstwhile local, I have no illusions about some of the things you cite, particularly the adversarial union-mill stuff that took place decades ago BUT I would contend that much of what you feel is a general cultural malaise, as true of any smalltown as this one.. International Falls is a working class town and working class towns have not fared well in the trickle-down era. What trickled down was Wal-Mart/K-Mart, meth., pick-up truck mentality, ridiculous educational standards, the "race to the bottom" with Chinese workers -- a whole bunch of stuff that took away some of the joy of small town life. That International Falls exhibits signs of the same hardening of the culture is not surprising and I bet that troykelli will find much that reminds her of S. Texas. I agree with Anton and even roj1950 [gulp] that this place has some benefits for those looking for life full of great seasons, of unspoiled nature, and a simplicity of life. It's not heaven. It's not hell either. It's just an American place that is riding the same roller coaster as the rest of this country.
T.L.J. It seems to me that...
Back to page topT.L.J. It seems to me that you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth. Are you trying to dazzle everyone with your B---S---?
six-shooter-Tom is a well...
Back to page topsix-shooter-Tom is a well traveled, well educated and very expierenced friend of mine and very good friend of the community, as well. There is no better man, nor any more honest and hard working man you could ever want to meet. He has a good perspective of the world as compared to Int'l Falls and offers insight that is valuable even if you don't see it. There is certainly no reason to degrade any person or denigerate any one on the site even if you don't like them. The man would not take a nickle from you and he and his family are well respected in the community as well as many other areas in the world as well. I am sure he would be happy to do battle with you, if this is your intention, but please try to battle on a friendly basis. He would jump in the river to save your life if he didn't think you were going to try and drown him in the attempt. Thanks
Anton, as a '65 graduate of...
Back to page topAnton, as a '65 graduate of FHS I know Tom very well. He is a person very capable of fighting his own "battles"if that is what you see it as. I don't. His moral character is not in question. I stand by my statment and question.
TLJ, Once again, you hit...
Back to page topTLJ,
Once again, you hit the nail on the head!! However, you have aged me by two years! As for troykelli, you will be fine when you move to the Falls. It sounds like your husband has a steady job with the Government, so just settle into town, and take the advice of the bloggers on here and make you own opinion. Since your husband will be coming to the Border Patrol (I think), then he will not be taking away some "local" good ole boy's job, so they can't hold that against you. As TLJ said, the town of I-Falls has fallen in disrepair, just like alot of other small towns in America. The world was much simpler in the 50's and 60's, and the Falls was a much more vibrant city. But all of the nasty, disgusting habits and attributes of big city living have trickled down to cities like I-Falls. So don't be suprised if you see teenagers walking around in their goth clothing, and maybe smoking a joint or even crack cocaine. Maybe they will have some meth too (supplied by some science teacher or something). But some of the writers on here have given you some good advice on what local bars and hangouts to stay away from. Every city has thier "dives" that the Cities "finest" go to drink away their troubles. But since you husband has a steady income coming in, then I think your family will have much to do and enjoy during your "tour" in the Falls. People on this blog, have given you many great ideas, and since it sounds like your husband grew up in Minnesota, then he should have the time of his life. But there is alot to accomplish, if the Falls wants to turn the furture of the city around, and maybe, just maybe, the City leaders (cliques/good ole boys),will let you give some input on how they may improve the economy and quality of life in the Falls. So come to the Falls with an open mind, and good luck fishing for walleye (best fish in the world).
sixie. I routinely speak...
Back to page topsixie. I routinely speak out of both sides of my mouth because reality is rarely as simple as I want it to be. I don't know exactly what it was about the previous entry that triggered your sixguns, but I suspect it was the pick-up reference. What Anton doesn't know is that I am guilty as sin on this one. My pick-up is sitting right outside the door and it has 4x4 stenciled on its side but my observation is about general change and includes me. My old Dad never drove around in a pick-up; he was a station wagon type fo guy once we got up to six kids. He wasn't deadbeat; he was too busy. He wore a tophat, not a baseball hat. My point to troykelli is that IF is your typical pick-up truck, baseball hat kind of place that looks like many of the other places I have lived including Jonesboro, AR, Laramie WY, Crete, NE and Bloomington, IN. Speaking in paragraphs is also fun. Give it a try. Even if some yokel accuses you of being full of B.S. I'm guilty on that one too -- that's why I blog.
tlj-- writing in paragraphs...
Back to page toptlj-- writing in paragraphs to blow my own horn is a waste of time. Something to think on tho---a person is always right until you know different, never wrong until you know better. So from one yokel to another have a great week-end.
Thriving in this town just...
Back to page topThriving in this town just depends on the kinds of things you enjoy doing. Do you have a boat? Like to hunt and fish? Own a snowmobile or 4-wheeler? Then this is probably a good place for you to live. If you aren't so into the outdoorsy stuff then there is little for you to do up here, in my opinion. No big theater shows, no great restaurants, no nice museums or art galleries, no shopping, etc. For that kind of thing, you'll have to do a lot of driving. You'll have to do some driving for a decent discount store, too. The Kmart here is disgusting and I avoid shopping there as much as I can. If I'm out of laundry detergent then I guess the clothes are going to pile up until I'm in the vicinity of a Target! LOL :o) Or I can always pay a little more and get it at the grocery store (both of which are OK).
This is a nice town for raising small children though! I like being about to take my kids to the park and to the beach and still feel safe doing so. I can leave the kids in the backyard for 5 minutes while I throw the clothes in the dryer or make a quick sandwich for a picnic and know they are still going to be there when I get back outside. We moved up here from the Cities because of a job opportunity, so that's definitely something I can appreciate. Five minutes is all I'd suggest though... parents can't become complacent just because they live in a relatively safe town. You just never know.
The school system and preschool programs are great and so are the churches. I hope you find one you like.
And yes, the smell can be bad. Whoever said you get used to it isn't being entirely truthful! lol We've been here for 4 years and I still notice it. Especially in the "downtown" area. Someone told me once that it was the smell of money. Money or not, it still stinks. But on most days the smell isn't TOO overwhelming and shouldn't be a major factor in deciding to move here.
All that being said, we're moving out of here this spring. After experiencing the small town, good ole boy mentality we have decided that this is not the place for us any longer. Certain job opportunities were denied because we did not grow up and fish with those making the decisions. And even though there are probably going to be several people here that will tell you things like that don't happen, they do. If you and a local are both up for the same promotion, you can always guess who's going to get it, regardless of superior qualifications. Just speaking from personal experience here.
So anyway... from one DoHS-employed family to another, welcome! I truly hope you are as happy here as you want to be.