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To the editor,
In response to Mr. Shannon’s letter:
The reason that so many paper mills have closed is because they were old and could not compete with larger machines with double and triple their capacity.
Why do you think so many small and large newspapers have closed? They can’t compete with television or the Internet.
Can a mill closing happen here? Yes, if they don’t make a profit. We only have to look back to 1984.
Just like you, Mr. Shannon, no matter how much it would hurt, if you didn’t make a profit, you would have to close your business.
I see no connection between the Burner Road and Boise being profitable.
Dennis Coleman
International Falls, MN


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Well there we have it. One...

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Well there we have it. One of the most serious events the community may face and I am excited to see just what the community decides. In fact, I am really excited just to see how much the community gets involved in this decision making process. Live web cam, wow!! That has got to be a first for this town. 7000 folks in town and 7000 folks out of town, not to mention the few land owners that may or may not benifit from all this. This is really government and the people in action. Will giving the burner road to the bankers, who are currently running this paper mill, away for free, aid the profitability of this mill? No, of course it will not. Besides, the bankers in Chicago who have taken over the mill are not interested in profitibility, they are interested in getting their money back and have nearly done that now. Is this a safety issue? No, of course it is not. If it was, that matter would have been raised earlier by the local Sheriff or Chief of Police long ago or by management of the mill before now. Besides no safety will be allviated by giving away the burner road as the 60,000 vehicles mentioned by the mill representitive will still be driving on HWY 332. A safety issue that should be stopped by the city and the county and OSHA are the "high" stacks of pulp stored to close to the burner road now. If these stacks should topple because of the height, the ditch could not contain them now and any passing car would be struck, causing serious harm. This pulp should be moved back to the former pulp storage area by order of the Sheriff and the matter reported to OSHA. The most serious matter to me however is, the free cost to the company for this road. The city or county not only is giving up 2500 feet of paved and improved road which the city and county will have to make up in a new road it doesn't need, but the city and county in having to use this road tax money on a new road, now doesn't have this money to use elsewhere in the city and county. This is like paying for several million dollars for a road, twice. Also, as was reported in the Journal, the money is not currently available to even build a "new" road for several years. Even this is not assured and we could end up with no road at all. Lastly we don't need the bankers in Chicago to give us permission to build a road on that other area. We can build a road on the property line to connect HWY 332 with HWY 11 without that companys' approval or consent or just take it by eminent domain as I have mentioned before and still keep the burner road, costing us no more money then the companys proposal and retaining the burner road. No, I don't think this group of current mill owners should get this road no matter what they offer. This town is shortly going to lose two or more machines because running them is not profitable now and nobody will pay for anything that has not been sold to date, except for the new machine. No, my vote is for a refusal to GIVE the burner road to the paper mill because of the inconvience to the South Falls residents and because the company is not paying for the cost for us to build a new road. LAND for LAND is equal and then ROAD for ROAD is equal and then, why are we even doing this in the first place! We shall see what the future brings next week thats for sure.


Submitted by Anton1965 on April 7, 2007 - 1:25pm.

Contract negotiations are...

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Contract negotiations are going on with Boise at this time. Will this be a factor in the decision? I hope the business owners along Hwy 53 will win but big money talks. Everyone should attend the meeting and voice their opinion but it will be interesting to see how many voices will be heard.


Submitted by kay on April 7, 2007 - 10:07am.

There should not be any...

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There should not be any contract negotiations going on with Boise at this time, at least not any negotiations concerning the road. The road will be decided between the city and its residents not between the city and Boise in negotiations behind closed doors with a last minute "take it or leave it" attitude and we only have 1 hour to decide. That kind of "negotiation process is over in this community especially between that paper mill and this government. The company can present to the community what it is willing to give and the community can decide after enough time to make an educated decision what it will or will not accept, BUT we will not accept any "before" Monday meeting, any negotiation offer. The company made its offer and we will voice our opinions on that offer. If the company now wishes to make another offer then we the community will study the offer for a couple of more weeks and decide possibly in May or June if that is enough time to make a considered response.


Submitted by Anton1965 on April 7, 2007 - 11:40am.

Just as an after thought and...

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Just as an after thought and provided the folks in town give their approval to give up the burner road, we will take the bridge and the dam and the land east of town with provisions for enough land for a 4-lane easement on the "same date" as the burner road would be given up for exclusive use by the paper mill. This of course is contingent upon the comunity having sufficient time to consider the ramifications of this arrangement and agreeing to same.


Submitted by Anton1965 on April 7, 2007 - 1:34pm.

I am fairly new to this...

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I am fairly new to this community, and I don't understand all the hostility towards the paper mill. Anton makes a good point about the pulpwood stacks, but in actuality, won't closing the Burner Road solve that problem?
According to the map in the Daily Journal, it doesn't look like it is going to make a HUGE change, so I don't see what all the flap is about.
And as far as the businesses on 53, how many tourists do you think will actually take Hwy 332, unless, of course, the city or state puts up a big sign that says, THIS WAY TO CANADA>>>>.
It is my understanding that Boise is the largest employer in this area. If this town wants to survive, it should be doing everything it can to ensure Boise's longevity. It seems like everyone I have met has either a parent, spouse, sibling, or some other relative who works there.
Let's start being positive about the mill and this plan. Look at communities on the Iron Range when the mines shut down. I don't want to live in a ghost town.


Submitted by Granny of 10 on April 7, 2007 - 1:54pm.

Granny of ten, if Boise is...

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Granny of ten, if Boise is dependent on this tract of land as to whether they will make it or not then they are in big trouble as are my fellow UNION Boise workers, this town and all who live here.


Submitted by six-shooter on April 8, 2007 - 7:37pm.

Good discussion to this...

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Good discussion to this point, led be anton1965. I am one of those up-to-the-lake-on Friday-afternoon people who drive straight from the Cities, electing to take 332 and not really appreciating it that road heads back to Carson Lupie instead of going straight to the Highway. With railroad switching activities and heavy truck traffic, the Burner Road is not a pleasant stretch of road; it encourages no business development because both sides are owned by the mills. A move eastwards would, I hope, open the possibility of some business development where 332 merges into Highway 11.

I hesitate to say this, but protecting the businesses along highway 53 seems difficult to argue when these businesses -- at least those from 11th street to the bridge -- seem so disinterested in protecting themselves through updated signage, renovated storefronts, or other aesthetics one expects from a "tourist town." In the 42 years since this blogger graduated from FHS alongside anton1965, there is no part of town that has changed less [except for fire] than this mile or so of prime business real estate.

Eventually, most of us who skip the main drag on a Friday night drive over to the west end of the Falls on Saturday morning to shop at Super One, Menards, perhaps Hardees. Later it's a movie. All too few tourists ever find this end of town and it's a pity. PS None of the west-end businesses are asking to move Smokey over there -- updated stores and friendly service have created their own business environment.


Submitted by Thomas L. Johnson on April 9, 2007 - 8:31am.

Thomas L. Johnson, I am very...

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Thomas L. Johnson, I am very surprised at your commments at how unattractive the drive into town is from the south end. You obviously have missed all the motels that are have no-vacancey signs the resturants whose parking lots are full and the gas stations that have one line-up after another who are getting more than frozen minnows. On like you these people are enjoying what this town has to offer them. I have used restrooms in gas stations in my travels that are cleaner than a eating establishment that has that great come on in look. In the forty years of driving and using the Burner Road I have yet to even come close to an accident. I have had more near misses on Main Street since they changed that. Oh, and if I see you this summer on the seedy side of town I will surely ask you why you have crossed the tracks and am glad to see you. Surely you will be at the all class reunion representing class of '65 as I will be.


Submitted by six-shooter on April 12, 2007 - 3:58pm.

Now Mayor Mason and city...

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Now Mayor Mason and city council, you have a lot on your plate here. You have plenty of opportunity to screw up and make some mistakes. But--if you err trying to honestly represent the City of Int'l Falls you were elected to run in their interests than I think that is not such as bad a mistake as you might think. For sure, it will bring you dividends down the road when you want to come back to the residents for something later. Go to church on Easter Sunday, think about things---Tuesday will be a good day.


Submitted by Anton1965 on April 7, 2007 - 1:58pm.

Granny of 10, Boise is not...

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Granny of 10, Boise is not the biggest employer in this region. In fact an examination of the total employed by the paper mill will reveal that compared to the government the paper mill emplyees an amount that is not much of a consequence except of course to those employed. The big deal is giving 2500 feet of paved road away without compensation for the paving and road building. The problem with falling stacks of wood can be alleviated by moving the wood back to where it used to be stacked before you came here. Another solution would be to move the entire chip piles and pipeline to the original pulp storage operation. Your right, you have not been here long. You would have realised how many workers that company used to employ and what effect the current tactics and former tactics have caused to decrease the employment to its current levels. The mill used to be the largest employer,but now is jocking for position to decrease the employment further, lower the costs of pulpwood and consolidating this operation to sell it to someone with enough ability to run it and with enough business accumen to keep it from being stuck with a white elephant it can't get its money out of. If you don't think its a problem bypassing HWY 53 into town, then ask the owners of Sandys' Place or the Dairy Queen or any other business that depends on a great deal of "locals" for their income. These small business owners along with the residents of South Falls might be just a bit inconvienced with all this.


Submitted by Anton1965 on April 7, 2007 - 2:18pm.

Granny of ten, next time you...

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Granny of ten, next time you cross over the tracks to head east towards the lake just look to you right and see how the stacks of wood are piled there. If that isn't a safety issue I don't know what is. Are we to close this road too?


Submitted by six-shooter on April 7, 2007 - 5:37pm.

Everything east of the...

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Everything east of the tracks to Veeders old place needs to be removed by the company and moved to the old pulpwood storage yard area. This is one of the most disgusting looking areas to locals and tourist alike that we have in town. Looks like a second hand junk yard adjacent to the tourist office and chamber building, and as six-shooter has said, a serious danger to boot. The next project for the city to under take is to get the paper mill to move this entire operation further east to the storage yard. There is no worse eyesore in the whole town.


Submitted by Anton1965 on April 7, 2007 - 6:54pm.

Excuse me, Anton, I was...

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Excuse me, Anton, I was referring to the private sector, not the government. I still believe Boise is one of the largest employers in our immediate area. And if you factor in the truckers hauling, the loggers, their equipment drivers, the railroad workers, the people working to provide the electricity, telephone service, et al, Boise is responsible for a darn big share of the money in this area, directly and indirectly.
In all my years I have never seen a community that is so full of negativity and fearful of change. (If you disagree, go reread Cindy's Blog where this young family was planning to move here until they read all the horrible things written about IFalls in response to her blog. It was so bad that her family changed their minds and will no longer be moving here. Thanks to all the derogatory, pessimistic, and negative comments by locals, we can say bye-bye to a young family moving here. Gee, that would have meant more students in our schools, more taxpayers, a few more people shopping locally! It's a good thing the naysayers were able to enlighten them.)
And as far as eyesores, most communities with some type of industry, also put up with what some residents consider a blight. However, when I drive toward the lake on Highway 11, I see the livelihood of many people, food in children's bellies, tax money going towards our schools, roads, etc. I think it is a beautiful sight because I know what it represents.
But then, I have only lived here a few years and I don't see things through the eyes of the past. I prefer looking ahead.


Submitted by Granny of 10 on April 7, 2007 - 10:04pm.

I read comments about Boise...

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I read comments about Boise on here all the time and it seems most of them are people that are not residents or they're retired. I would like to know how much money the businesses give back to International Falls. I'm not saying they don't; I honestly don't know. Minimum wage and possibly sponsoring a sporting team isn't really keeping this town afloat. How many people actually retire from Stop and Shop?? Or Dairy Queen?? Like it or not, Boise does give us employment at good wages. And, we need to keep these jobs. Why argue about one stupid section of road that's hardly as long as my arm? You do realize that Boise isn't asking us for Highway 53, right? Please don't make it like they are. I use the Burner Road all the time but I realize that there's a lot more at stake here than me having to drive 5 more minutes to get where I'm going. Change occurs all the time...it just seems like you come to International Falls and set your watches back 20 years. How logical is that?


Submitted by MamaG on April 8, 2007 - 12:35am.

Anton 1965 would you fill me...

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Anton 1965 would you fill me in on the reason highway 53 would be bypassed if you were to close the burner road. If it is closed would'nt they be routed back into town anyway? I am not sure that I am understanding what the big deal is. Yes I agree that the city should be compensated for the road, but what are we really losing if we give up the road. Yes it can be a shortcut from time to time, but i recall it not saving that much time to use that road to get to hwy 53. Please help me to understand what I am missing here.


Submitted by RainyZMan on April 8, 2007 - 12:55pm.

Well RainyZman, the reason...

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Well RainyZman, the reason the turn over of the burner road is a problem that will not re-route drivers into town again is because the concept is to build a "new" road 1 mile east of the burner road connecting 332 with HWY 11 just before 2nd bridge. That means good news of course, for all those living on Island View Route, or at least those few that are on HWY 53 and going east on HWY 11.It also means any tourist coming into town north on HWY 53 and going to any destination on HWY 11 east will automatically bypass town. Added all up I have no idea how much money or how many ice cream cones this means, or how many will not now stop to eat before going east on HWY 11. Secondly this new road cost is to be borne by the county and city by our road tax money which we dont have and even if we did that is money we now can not spend elsewhere in the city and county. Thirdly, it may seem trivial to you and me, but the folks in SouthFalls will now be inconvienced by not having their short access to HWY 11 that they have had before, unless of course we spend several million dollars of our road tax money to build a new road. Finally, as is usual,the arguments made by those in the company justifying why they should get this road without fair compensation is invalid. Had they made a better argument from the onset, with some attempt at valid compensation, there would not have been such a defense made against the mill in the first place. The "move" by the paper mill to "conditionally" trade a piece of land further east but not pay for the actual road is probably the biggest contention. Now of course I am sure you and I would be willing to have our taxes increased just so that we can build a new road east of the burner road and give this road to the chicago bankers for free. Also, we don't own any business on HWY 53 so it should not be a problem for you and me. Also, the original mistake was made by the former city leaders when they allowed that industrial mess to be built between the tracks and Veeders in the first place. That entire mess should be moved east to the mill property at the former pulp storage yard. That includes the scales and chip piles. The logs stored by Bildrite and the logs stored by the paper mill should be moved and the Bildrite plant should be hidden by a 10-12 foot wall. In a nut shell, any folks living in South Falls will have the current access, any body on 53 heading for HWY 11 will use the current access and it wont cost the city a dime to build a new road. Now I am probably not that bright but this response seems to me at least to be about all the arguemnet that is needed to veto giving the burner road to the company. In my meager opinion, just copy this a couple thousand times but sign your name to it and give to the mayor on Monday night. But what do I know? Well, one thing I know, you tell the mill they can have the burner road for $3 million dollars and they will build their own road thru their own property from 332 and it won't be anything but a dirt road.


Submitted by Anton1965 on April 8, 2007 - 7:54pm.

Anton, once again, I believe...

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Anton, once again, I believe that you have spoken for the people and quite well. I also have to agree wholeheartedly with Mr. Coleman, who I have had the privilege of knowing and respecting for many years. People that are new to this area or for some reason fail to see the amount of acrimony between locals and the mill, do not know the level of lies and misrepresentation that our beloved 800 lb. gorilla in the room has done to many of us over the years. The 1989 contract with the employees was a pure case of blackmail. Give us what we want or we will move the new world class machine somewhere else. How many people really benefitted from that decision? Enough to keep a town going? We have had to swallow so much disrespect and lies over the years, not to mention the rampant pollution of our lakes, rivers, groundwater and land, as well as our air, that some times enough is enough and fighting for a little chunk of road is worth the effort. We make the world we want, not the Chicago bankers who are really corporate raiders, but us, the people who stand and demand fair and accountable practices to take place here. By accepting what the bully wants all the time, sometimes all you get is exactly what you settled for.


Submitted by norpole on April 8, 2007 - 7:18pm.

Had not that machine been...

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Had not that machine been built in the first place, with the minimal workers it takes to run it, the 600 plus workers lost in the insulite would still be here. Probably not all the insulite, but most of it would still be here. That of course is another story for a later date including all we did to try and get another product like the "chicken board" line going.


Submitted by Anton1965 on April 8, 2007 - 7:41pm.

Boise closed the siding...

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Boise closed the siding division in December, 1984.
They built the new paper machine in 1989.
In 1994, a mill at Joseph, Oregon was closed.
In 1995, the mill at Council Falls, Idaho was closed.
In 1996, Boise shut down its paper manufacturing facility in Vancouver, Washington.
In 1998, Boise Cascade closed sawmills in Horseshoe Bend, Idaho, and Fisher, Louisiana.
In 1999 they closed a sawmill in Elgin, Oregon and a plywood plant in Yakima, Washington.
The list goes on and on. Can you blame us if we worry about our jobs being lost? They gave $103,000 to the huricane relief. They matched donations of $118,000 to the Red Cross. Do they have problems? Absolutely. But, while you are complaining about Boise, just remember that it appears that you are cutting down normal, everyday blue-collar people from International Falls that really are just trying to do their jobs, too. Boise is a big corporation but the 1000+ people working there would like to remain in their own homes and not start looking for a job at age 50. Can't we just try to keep it open as long as possible? No, I have no big dreams of my children ever getting a job there. It's just not going to happen. The population of our town has gone from 10,000 to 6,000 in a matter of just a few years. But, when you think of 1000 out of those 6,000 work at Boise, it is huge. If they close, you probably could buy my house for $12.


Submitted by MamaG on April 9, 2007 - 12:08pm.

Thank you Anton 1965. I did...

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Thank you Anton 1965. I did not know that there was a new road proposal in the deal. But I do agree with you that boise should move there piles further east. Also there is already a road at the proposed site. I use it sometimes when the gate is not locked and I am heading to the shack. But if we are paid for the burner road. Cant we use the money elsewhere, being that there is already a road in place? The road that is there is not in that bad of condition if i recall correctly. Just a thought.


Submitted by RainyZMan on April 9, 2007 - 9:12am.

Anton 1965, I have been...

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Anton 1965,

I have been reading the journal online for years now and I have finally decided that I need my voice heard. I no longer live in the Falls but I was born and raised there. My father, grand father and great grand father all work or worked in the mill. What is your problem with Boise Cascade? It seems to me that they did just fine, did not die of cancer or any weird diseases and could not walk across the rainy river on the so called sludge. Those that have past on are buried in Forest Hill Cemetery and were lifelong residents of the Falls, the rest still live in town. What is your problem with the Mill, did you not get hired or were you fired and now have a beef with the Cities largest employer. I can remember mill payday every other Thursday when the banks stayed open late to accommodate the pay checks that were given to the hard working men and women who then in turn spend those checks at Super One and Super Value, the Sports shop and Meyers Sports, Menards, K-Mart, the Outdoorsman’s etc… need I go on.
Those of us that know about the Burner road USE IT!!!!! When tourists come to town, if they need to stop they will, if not, they blow through town on their way to Canada or the Lake. What is the big deal? Do you stop in Orr or Cook every time you go through town, are you a little peeved when you have to slow down to 30 miles per hour in Orr or 40 MPH in Cook. DO YOU STOP EVERY TIME? Give it up! The road is going to happen and no one will know the difference. This is not a matter of safety due to falling wood, it is a matter of the large loaders that have to cross the road, and by the way Anton, the mill has been here longer than you and every other person in town and I am sure that you know some one who gets one of those checks that I talked about earlier, and I would even manage to guess that the money earned in the Mill has helped you in some way. If I am way off on this then call me out, if not drop it. All you are doing is spewing hatred toward International Falls’ biggest employer.


Submitted by jill-t on April 9, 2007 - 1:35pm.

Well said Jill-t!...

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Well said Jill-t!


Submitted by NorthernGirl on April 9, 2007 - 5:13pm.

FYI I hope somebody is...

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FYI I hope somebody is monitoring this!!! There is a terrible buzz and you can't hear what the people are saying!!!!


Submitted by MamaG on April 9, 2007 - 6:37pm.

FIX YOUR...

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FIX YOUR AUDIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Submitted by MamaG on April 9, 2007 - 7:07pm.

Amen Jill....

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Amen Jill.


Submitted by MamaG on April 9, 2007 - 7:14pm.

KUDOS Jill-t Boise put food...

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KUDOS Jill-t

Boise put food on the table when I was growing up and clothes on my back. There was also a horrible odor...dad would remind me, "that is the SMELL of money."


Submitted by Tammy Hoffman on April 9, 2007 - 8:31pm.

I worked at Boise for many...

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I worked at Boise for many years and I agree with others; Boise provides a very nice income. The smell issue has always been connected to money. It was most noticable during strikes at the Mill-no smell--no money!! If the burner road is traded to Boise for land to build a new road, I hope there is enough land available alongside the road to make a park. This park could then contain "Rocky and Bullwinkle" along with "Smokey", the Chamber of Commerce HQ.-(they are so far out of touch with the locals, they might just as well move to the outskirts of town) and just a little space for a statute of Mayor Mason so she gets all the glory she is looking for!


Submitted by sker on April 9, 2007 - 8:54pm.

you got it jill t the smell...

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you got it jill t the smell ment no one in our house would be going hungry that night


Submitted by the falls is home on April 9, 2007 - 9:49pm.

I was very specific --...

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I was very specific -- eleventh street in. I start seeing old and ugly at the empty space where the Red Owl stood, at the empty Holiday Station, at the empty former used car lot. I think that many of the business from Chocolate Moose to 11th Street including the Outback? [hidden off the road] are nicely put together and well maintained. But an ugly core city hurts whether we are talking about International Falls or Minneapolis. That's all I meant.


Submitted by Thomas L. Johnson on April 12, 2007 - 4:25pm.

O.K. let's put the cards on...

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O.K. let's put the cards on the table! i say that the burner road should be EXCHANGED for a new road that would come out at rainier, extended from hwy. 332. BOISE'S boundaries should be 12th. st on the south, 2nd. ave on the west, 2nd bridge on the on the east and the river on the north. whether we like it or not this issue is a SAFETY issue. this would make jamison and french additions quiet residental living areas that would be only entered from the east. it would also direct tourist traffic directly into town via hwy 53. traffic going up to island view would take 12th. st and also residents of jamison and french additions the new road. an agreement between BOISE and the STATE to finance and construct the new road would have to be in place prior to any agreement being signed in my opinion.we can't please all of the people all of the time but there should be room for compromise. let's start growing instead of remaining stagnate..


Submitted by GOPHER60 on April 13, 2007 - 9:32am.

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